doomed dialogue
locutor:"He who wishes to devote himself to painting must begin by cutting out his tongue." - h. matisse
interlocutor: Why?
posted by Tom Matrullo at Sunday, November 06, 2005
Sunday, November 06, 2005
Where good taste, clear and distinct ideas, and graceful modulations tend to be viewed with lowering suspicion.
locutor:"He who wishes to devote himself to painting must begin by cutting out his tongue." - h. matisse
interlocutor: Why?
posted by Tom Matrullo at Sunday, November 06, 2005
13 Comments:
Couldn't we cut out the interlocutor's tongue instead?
Or have I missed the point?
He also said, “An artist’s importance can be measured by the quantity of new signs he has added to visual language.”
Much as I love Matisse, I think he was righter the latter time than the former, but both require nuances that his verbal expression exchanged for pithiness.
IP & AKMA: One way for me to relate to what matisse says is to acknowledge my experience of any image as the inevitable experience of a suppression of verbal articulation.
"Behind" the picture, a nest of words, deductions, logical structures and associations. Someone hit the mute button.
This is not a denial of any sort of link between visual and verbal, rather a marker of our powerlessness to say, or see, what that link is.
The riddle of that?
As AKMA sort of alluded - Matisse said that.
There was a collage of his(like this but another one) at the Rijksmuseum that was maybe 10 by 8 meters. I was speechless, just sitting there on a bench they had for looking at it.
Maybe he meant something like there's a thing down in there under the applications we run that seeks an opening out into the world, that it will no matter what. That for most of us it comes most easily through the common means of language.
By blocking the familiar avenue of speech you'll force it to speak through the medium of color and form instead.
I like to watch TV commercials with the sound off.
-klaus
Matisse couldn't hear the surface of a dialog.
-klaus
Juke, why is speech the more familiar avenue? And what do you make of the fact that for henri, the blocking takes the form of a mutilation?
klaus - Why just commercials? I like to watch tv, if at all, that way. One sees so much more.
Speech because it's the default application.
The violent image as emphasis, to convey the seriousness of the commitment.
That speech is the default is not self-evident. Why do you think it is?
And: where AKMA's other quote from Matisse suggests some mode of supplementarity between speech and image, the first one in the posting suggests a very different relation, which I think may be effaced by seeing one as merely a rhetorical version of the other.
I like to watch TV commercils with the sound off because there better than the programs. People who make commercials get paid more dollars per second than people who make TV shows. So due to market conditions they are smarter, better edicated and more talented. More dollars means more visual freedom. So they have the opportunity to cram all they're art school, film school, and other educational accomplishments into a highly compressed thirty second presentation within which they can indulge influences as varied as Sigmund Freud's book about The Interpellation of Dreams, Eisenstein's work on Montague, the latest sci-fi writing of Charlie Gibson, Bawdyrillard, and a whole bunch of pop culture garbage.
You have to turn the sound off because the sound is only their to distract you from becoming aware of the dialectic in the play of images, where the real and lasting arguments are made.
-klaus
k. - When the content tubes become detached from the advertising batteries, and advertising has to become one with content in order for ex-wives of madison avenue to continue to live in the manner to which they are accustomed, which could be as soon as now, will you behold your content with the sound on or off?
I think the sitaction is that you have to make oneself blind, deaf or unreadingly, in order to see, hear, or reckon what's going on.
if you shut your eye and listen, or plug your ears and watch, that's the only tiem you really catch the nuances, if you can remeber to comparisonize one experience to teh otehr.
This works for not jsut on TV, IMHO!
Unfortunately, many people do not have learned brale. So it works best for TV sounds and pictures, other wise you could use your fingers.
Some people speak spanish, but I don't know much about that. Everybody I know speaks english and it's a pain cause I understand them too much.
-klaus
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